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Post by rickrauzi on Dec 31, 2008 0:38:41 GMT -5
Rob, Question for you about rookies that will probably only apply this year since starting next year rookies will naturally come up through our farm systems - can rookies be nominated in the ML draft?
If yes I'll use Matt Wieters as an example since showing interest in him would hardly be shocking. Let's say I win him for $7. I assume that:
1) His year 2 salary would be $10 and his year 3 salary would be $15. In other words we'd use the raise structure for major leaguers as opposed to the gradual bump for players that come up through the minors
2) He wouldn't be eligible to be sent to the minors even if Balt. demoted him prior to 150 AB's because I acquired him as a major leaguer. I could bench him, but not demote him.
Thanks,
Rick
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Post by jackbauer on Dec 31, 2008 9:08:56 GMT -5
Very good question Rick. Many leagues require that players must have at least one AB in the ML to be nominated in the ML draft, but our Constitution does not address this point directly and it is important that you bring it up now because it could have a major affect on bidding strategy. I would interpret the Constitution, as currently configured, as you have on both points 1 and 2. A team could save its ML draft dollars to acquire a Wieters and guarantee you get him at the end of the draft, but sacrifice a ML roster spot (only 6 reserves) for a player who might or might not contribute immediately at the ML level and the benefits of the salary structure that a minor leaguer possesses.
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Post by Drunken Tanuki on Jan 1, 2009 3:50:24 GMT -5
Great to have you point that out.
The rule I wanted in place is that ANY player who qualifies as a rookie CANNOT be nominated in the majors draft.
However, with this being the first year, what I think we could do is( I'm welcoming feedback on this and not set in stone at all) allow for any player who has at least 1 AB and 1 IP to be allowed to be drafted in the Major League draft for THIS YEAR ONLY.
Rules state that in season owners are free to pick up ANY player they wish, only those players must be added to the Major League roster and will adhere to the escalators for Major Leaguers.
So, starting with Year 2, if anyone wanted to pick up (in season Year 1) a player drafted #1 overall(MLB) this year for example, and kept him going into 2010....his price would be $4 next year regardless if he even threw a pitch or took an AB.
First year would be tricky here to let so many players with rookie qualifications go undrafted.
ie David Price!! Honestly, most owners would give up their $100 minor league cap to get him at $1 salary and minor league escalators for the next 3 years!
After this year though it's on each owner to decide if they want to carry a rookie on their Majors roster and burn the $$ and spot for development....just might not carry much value. But if any player going into Year 2 is qualified as a rookie, that player can be drafted in the Minors draft ONLY!
I believe this gives everyone a fair shot at everyone. I want owners to have as much control over their rosters as possible, thus no excuses when i hand you your asses!lol
Again would welcome any feedback!
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Post by bostonlagers on Jan 1, 2009 13:43:16 GMT -5
Rob, I think that sounds fair for this year.
Due to the fact that we are starting the auction before Spring Training we'll have no idea who has a shot to make the team and who will be sent down for further seasoning. All you have to do is look back at last year and Evan Longoria. Pretty much everyone thought he'd be the starting third baseman for Tampa but obviously that wasn't the case.
Setting the limit for this year only makes it much more clear on who is eligible. Now, if only every league was so concise in this area. What?
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Post by rickrauzi on Jan 1, 2009 13:51:59 GMT -5
Thanks Rob, I think that's fair for owners, and easier for you to track who's eligible to be nominated for the ML draft.
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Post by gregous613 on Jan 13, 2009 19:27:41 GMT -5
Sounds like a good plan to me.
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Post by huztler on Jan 13, 2009 20:48:29 GMT -5
I still dont understand at all. How does it work in short?
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Post by Drunken Tanuki on Jan 13, 2009 22:47:34 GMT -5
In short...
...this year any player who has 1 AB or .1 IP in the big leagues is eligible for the major league draft.
Every year after starting next year only players that have OVER 150 AB's, 50 IP, or 20 appearances(relievers) will be eligible for the major league draft.
This is only an issue this year because of the initial draft. Once we have a full draft and owners are allowed to pick-up whom they wish in season, everything will be caught up, balanced, fair for all if you will.
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Post by huztler on Jan 21, 2009 23:19:38 GMT -5
So, are they on your ML roster or not?
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Post by jackbauer on Jan 22, 2009 6:32:07 GMT -5
No. Any player acquired whether through the ML draft or the Minor Draft can be sent down to the Minor Leagues if they have less than 150 ABs or 50 IP and it is at your discretion. Once they reach these milestone numbers, they cannot be sent to the Minors regardless of the fact that in real life they may be demoted.
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Post by thebreeze on Jan 22, 2009 8:36:50 GMT -5
No. Any player acquired whether through the ML draft or the Minor Draft can be sent down to the Minor Leagues if they have less than 150 ABs or 50 IP and it is at your discretion. Once they reach these milestone numbers, they cannot be sent to the Minors regardless of the fact that in real life they may be demoted. im not so sure about that... ANYONE, regardless of service time, drafted in the major league draft cannot be put in the minor leagues. The only players that are on the Minor league roster are ones that are taken in it's draft. Year 1: Watered down system's because most of the top minor leaguers will be taken in the major league draft (i.e. price, weiters, etc.) Year 2: Any player with less than 150/50 is eligibile for the minor league draft. Any player not drafted in the minor league draft can be drafted in the major league draft, but cannot be put on the minor league roster. Something else to note; ANY player with less than 150/50 can be taken, even if they are on an MLB roster and have been starting. Example: Chris Dickerson OF Reds has less than required amount, so he is still eligible, even though he started for the Reds the last month of the season. Hope this helped clear things up.... Rob is this what you want?
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Post by Drunken Tanuki on Jan 22, 2009 11:02:21 GMT -5
Yeah, I thought this was clear but it seems I'll have to go back and clarify the constitution.
Here's the deal.
-The major league draft is first, followed by the minor league draft.
-This year only, any player with 1 AB or .1 IP will be allowed to be drafted in the major league draft.
-After the major league draft, the minor league draft will be held. Any player with under 150 Ab's in his pro career, Under 50 IP, or under 20 Appearances will be allowed to be drafted to the minor league roster.
-Any player may be added to the major league roster, though they will be given a major league contract and will adhere to the major league escalators.
-No player that was drafted outside of the minor league draft will ever be eligible to be placed on the minor league roster(unless they qualify as minor leaguer and are dropped before entering following years' draft.). Thus any pick ups of players in season must be added to major league rosters.
-Minor leaguers may be traded and will retain there minor league contract status when changing teams, so therefore they are allowed to be added to new teams minor league roster. Please remember the 10 player limit however.
I hope this answers your questions, and never hesitate to ask if you don't know. Thanks.
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Post by thebreeze on Jan 22, 2009 11:16:11 GMT -5
i thought that, starting in the 2nd year, we were going to have the minor league draft first so we can place added importance on keeping up with minor leaguers, instead of having all the good ones taken in the major league draft prior to the minor league draft.
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Post by #CheapPitchers on Jan 22, 2009 11:44:56 GMT -5
Just chiming in here with some trivial banter. I'm a math teacher, so why the heck not. If we're talking about .1 IP for pitchers, we're talking one-third of an inning. Unfortunately that's not .1. It should be .33. If you ever try to figure out a pitcher's ERA and if you use the .1 or .2 numbers you see in boxscores or online, it doesn't come out right. You have to use .33 for one-third of an inning, and .67 for two-thirds of an inning.
Commish - don't know if you want to make our Constitution mathematically accurate, but that's the deal. The baseball world seems to just think it's OK to say 4.1 is 4 and 1/3 innings, and it's not. Mathematically that's 4 and 1/10 innings. It drives me crazy. Anyway, now that that's off my chest.... who is this Price guy you all seem to be talking about? Can't be the same guy that shut down my Bosox in the ALCS, is it?
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Post by jtbaty on Jan 22, 2009 12:18:26 GMT -5
I believe they are talking about Mark Price of the Cleveland Cavaliers. Should be really good this year.
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Post by Drunken Tanuki on Jan 22, 2009 15:49:31 GMT -5
i thought that, starting in the 2nd year, we were going to have the minor league draft first so we can place added importance on keeping up with minor leaguers, instead of having all the good ones taken in the major league draft prior to the minor league draft. Starting in the second year only players that have over 150 AB's, 50 IP, or 20 appearances are even allowed to be drafted to a major league roster. Therefore it is impossible to have all the good ones taken in the major league draft. You may pick-up a minor leaguer in season to your major league roster, but if you wanted to keep him going into next year it would cost you $4. $1 year 1 salary plus the $3 escalator for year 2.
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Post by thebreeze on Jan 22, 2009 16:43:50 GMT -5
i guess that works... i still feel my suggestion was better, not sure why you chose this way instead.
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Post by Drunken Tanuki on Jan 22, 2009 16:54:33 GMT -5
Well, the thinking there is that in the major leagues, a majority of the players are well known, established, what have you.
With the slow draft format, we might get a peek into spring training a bit to get a little glimpse of a minor leaguer who is surprising and might get a roster spot or call up soon into the season.
If you feel your suggestion is better, please elaborate as to why and put it up for vote. We do have a whole year to get it done as the inaugural draft will have the restriction exemption.
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Post by thebreeze on Jan 22, 2009 17:07:13 GMT -5
after going over this a few times in the ole noggin, i just might actually like your suggestion better than mine.
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